Since then we got closer and closer and couldnt hold back our attraction. Sorry, Natalia, I cant really comment on this in the space available. Is Your experience the same? It may have felt like chaos, but later on we know that there was method to the madness. A Venus in the 12th House man is a sweet, gentle, kind of person who likes to help both people and animals. I say empty.. no planet but Asteroid Osiris is 26 Aries. scares me a bit. It usually indicates that there is something karmic surrounding that planet that needs fixingit is, in a prior life, something that was missed or misused between them. MUCH APPRICIATED- i am forever greatful for your insights. such is the nature of the 12th, beautiful and terrible.! Talking about Fate! The fourth house is . When transit Mars is in the composite 12th house, you may become aware of subconscious drivers and motivators in your relationship, and this can help you gain a better understanding of one another. He seems very able to detach himself and move to the future. Saturn and Pluto and Ascedant. You could unknowingly absorb all types of pain from the collective unconscious, making it difficult for you to be a member of the world. We go down a lot of wrong alleyways. One thing Ive noticed with these people is that other people usually notice their . Neptunes great teaching is that love is a powerful force in and of itself, and should not be used as a binder. Those of us with composite 12th emphasized will be asked to step away from the mundane and step into the world of the extraordinary, where unlikely connections are day to day things. Mars also squares Mercury, Venus, Pluto and Saturn. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Reply. Hes Gemini sun . Aghh! We have Sun,mercury,venus and jupiter in 12th house virgo. In my natal I have mars and mercury in 12th house Gemini. Oftentimes, once we surrender to the powers of the 12th house, our lives are transformed by meaning, because those unlikely connections have brought us a wisdom beyond our time together. A lot of native speakers make this same mistake, and worse. Im not exactly sure what our future holds, but I do know we are exactly where we are supposed to be XOXO ~ Thank you for the lovely insights!!! When transit Uranus is in the composite 12th house, you may make changes together but quietly behind the scenes, with no one watching. He told me that had never happened to him before (referring to how we couldnt control ourselves). They have to learn to work togetherthats the challenge. This will tell you the energy sounding the ending. I mean, for the 2 people IN the relationship it will be a very impactful connection, but even other people will take notice of this pairing. Our composite has a sun and north node in the 12 th house. In our synastry my North Node/South Node axis is conjunct his MC/IC axis and his Moon conjuncts my IC. Together we share a Mars 12th. you are right on target- although I forgot to mention that our trine is in 4th,8th and 12th you are an amazing teacher and your articales on your site have helped me tremendously. Sun/Uranus conjunct in the 1st. Its hard for me to stop dreaming about this person. Its bad enough that we have difficulties with the 12th house when it involves the natal chart, but it often is downright cruel when were trying to negotiate its slippery slopes in a composite. (Not at all helped by the fact that his Venus is square to my Sun at exact degrees.) Dont worry, Evelyne. VERY-VERY SORRY! Saturn is the heaviest aspected planet in this composite, which actually reinforces the intensity of the Moon/Saturn-opposite theme from synastry. This placement suppresses your deep subconscious a lot. I wouldnt say that one is more important than another. I have met my match. That I could be around someone and not feel uncomfortable. Can you say anything on the north node transiting the twelfth house on a composite? Thank you Dawn for this very interesting article. We feel that our twelfth house planets dont work the way our other planets do, or the way that same planet seems to behave in other peoples charts. I dont know why but i love him so much and sometimes I come up with things like dreaming of him to call me after a while he calls me. Any advice would be helpful. Now, you can either say its karma, or you can say that person A is psychologically hooking onto the archetype formed with person Bs chart, but whatever it is, it can be a very powerful pull. What is it that makes it work? I know he is devoted to his son more maybe than to his wife but he cares about him as well because he is a very nice man. Then we hurt each other. I still feel a strong connection to him, but in a way, I guess I have come to reasonable terms with not being with him. That may mean leaving you behind. Love for loves sake wont fly with the 12th house. We also have composite venus in the 12th house. For instance I have a Composite Taurus Sun at 1-2 degrees in the 12th Conjunct Taurus Eros (also in the 12th at 4 degrees), and the Taurus Asc at 5 degrees. In my opinion the midpoint composite is not really true, because our midpoint chart doesnt show the very intense physical love what we live together. I have gone through a long, long cycle of heartaches and have been able to slowly, heart-wrenchingly get over each and every one, except this guy. Something is whispering in their ears. Ive known couples who are married for long periods of time to have 12th house composites. Sorry, aja, this is too much information to handle in this space. Required fields are marked *, Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. !.the telepathy is overwhelming me. And what does it mean our 12th. Transit Venus in the Composite 12th House. We romanticize all of this (and well, a little romance never hurt anyone) but the truth is that this familiarity is there to hurry up the bonding process so that the lessons and the challenges can be quickly assimilated. My boyfriend and I have 4-5 planets in the 12th house in our composite progressed chart. There are no connections with saturn to make it harsh. This secrecy he is practising probably points to the venus-mars in composite twelfth ? Its not special, its common. Conjunct the composite 1st House cusp, it can be difficult to separate mutual fantasy from reality regarding the identity of the relationship. Sometimes the ego gets in the way of our path, whether through fear, resistance to growth, resistance to break old habits and personal tendencies, or through a lack of interest in what is wanted of us. I read our full synastry report, using dual cosmodynes, and the outcome was very positive and harmonic, scoring pretty much above the average! In traditional astrology, the 12 th house is known as the house of Bad Spirit. Those with this placement can benefit significantly from learning how to . I need help! Im also interested in anything about twin flame relationships. That 12th house/Neptune influence is devasting if left unchecked. As Jeff Buckley puts it, hes a tear that hangs inside my soul forever. He says what on thinking. what do you think it means to have such much weight in the 1st and 12th houses? My fiance and I have an exact conjunction of Sun/Mercury in the 12th in Taurus with Venus also being the chart ruler and placed in the 1st. One valuable lesson I learned is to refrain being attached to an outcome with him. Sometimes we will be asked to make leaps of faith. The North Node in the 12 th House - Synastry. The empty space you decribe has me under pressure most days. Juno is also important. Juno is not only about romantic partnerships, but has to do with equality in general. The person with the most crowded 12th house in history is Ann Margret, a Swedish born actor best known for her iconic Easy Rider bike scene and starring in Viva Los Vegas alongside Elvis Presley. In my opinion the midpoint composite is not really true, because our midpoint chart doesnt show the very intense physical love what we live together. Composite Saturn is in the 1st. Any insights you may have would be greatly appreciated! Is this why I am feeling this more? 4 months passed since then. Telepathy, visiting one another out of body, lucid dreaming where they communicate with one another, strange psychic links and melding of the two energetic bodies. Impossible to comment without seeing both charts. Beautiful article!! It was a complicated, intense, spicy hot love affair that changed both of our lives. I was immediately flooded with emotion- I realized all at once how intensely close to him I was and needed to know if he was ok, etc. I can say with absolute confidence that you perfectly captured the essence of this energy. You're hypersensitive to energy and emotions in your environment, including the collective, if Chiron is in the 12th House. When transit Jupiter is in the composite 12th house, you may have more opportunities to come together behind the scenes, behind closed doors, when no one is watching, and in a professional relationship, this can be how you make lots of progress together. Looking forward to taking more classes with you in the future. taurus venus-mars conjunction in Your opinion? Jupiter Rx in the 7th in Leo. And would that mean -lets say- if this persons partners personal planets conjuncts to his north node would he lose the partner or would he lose god because he put that person (her planets) between himself and god! It is composed of the combined midpoints of each person's planets and angles. However, Sag and Cap are very, very different from one another and the things that make you feel secure, comforted and appreciated will be very different, unless other things in the chart back them up. The Sun in 11th house synastry overlay creates an atmosphere of friendship between you. I met this men who i recall seeing 20 years ago once and a couple of other times within that 20 years. They think no one cares whether they are present or absent. In other words, that planetary energy might have to do with dealing with their collective, rather than personal, expression. He told me he had butterflies I did too.his nn is conjunct my ascendant. . The Uranus/Mercury conjunction in the composite can make the relationship more mental than physical. Good luck. I met her near the end of my Saturn return (Cancer in the 4th house) and I am aware of deep wounds in me around my need for nurturing and I wonder if my neediness in this area may have something to do with it all. How does the 12th manifest when the planet is also conjunct the Asc? Im not wanting to drag him to the floor yet. We feel it has a nebulous, yet mysteriously powerful influence on our lives when we have planets there, even though we cant quite fathom the type of influence it wieldsare we being seduced to a precipitous cliff by external forces, or are the demons within driving us to the edge? 3) Angles in the houses & aspects. But venus, mars, moon and vertex in the first house in pisces. And yes, with Uranus squaring, the tendency would be to want to break away rather than face what is wrong. Lots of greetings from Serbia. Obviously, I thought this man was my soulmate. When Saturn is conjunct the North Node it can be particularly ruthless in pursuing its goals. Usually, life will present us with huge dilemmas that cause us to choose between the ego and the soul path. Oh wow, Im glad to be reading this after the fact. Concentrate on intimacy and you should be all right. Im so confused by this mix! Thank You so much for Your answer! This is brilliant and compassionate. Whatever I told you would not have a context. But exploring worlds during sex, soul bonding, feeling understood at a deep level, feeling at home in the spirit of the world, higher purpose together, channeling together, these are all things ive felt with my boyfriend and our 12th house energies. Im sure your midpoint chart is valid if you had it read properly. In this relationship, you tend to agree to a no-obligation arrangement from the start. (Note that Jupiter is the natural co-ruler of the 12th, so it will behave in a Pisces-like manner, here.) The composite chart with the man Im involved with has an extremely tight Moon/Mars conjunction in the 12th, along with the North Node. in the 12th house, you might be safe in assuming that there was a marriage or long-term relationship in a past life. So beautifully written Dawn. Please your opinion. You may now be more confused about the 12th house than you were at the beginning of this piece, but such is the nature of the 12th, beautiful and terrible. I feel sad about that. The composite chart only reveals so muchcomparing natal charts tells us about the day to day of the people involved, their reactions to one another, their attractions, etc. I can honestly say that I love this man from the highest level of my being, but I dont feel we belong together in a committed relationship. The interesting thing is that we have a very unconventional relationship, mainly as friends and close allies in a spiritual cause (with the mission of saving the world, essentially), but with a new dimension of intense emotional and physical intimacy. Thank You for Your answer and best regards from Hungary! Thank you very much. We fall, and find the world. The 12th house is the house of the hidden, the subconscious, spirituality, karma, and as the last house, it governs endings. And youre so right, because there is something about the compo 12 th house ! !! Our ascendant is also pisces but our Uranus-Venus opposite position makes lots of deals in our relationship besides the 12th and 6th house. Again, sadly, this being the 12th, most of the time the lesson is learning to love and then let go. In the composite chart, the composite 12th house can show what may be hidden in the relationship, what may play out subconsciously in the relationship, the karma of the relationship, and what needs to be let go of. This house is deeply spiritual by nature, as it is a composite of all the other houses. my davison chart has our sun, mercury and pluto in the 12. frequently i hear what he says in my head before he says it. We have Sun, Mercury, Venus, and Uranus in the 12th house in our composite chart. Our midpoint composit cannot show any true about our relationship. Then you have to put the natal charts around the composite, and there are a number of other techiques depending on what questions are asked: coalescent charts, draconic charts, etc. . We need strong, healthy egos to accomplish what weve come to do in this life, but we need to act according to what is wanted of us, not against it. The point is not that the telepathy is an illusion, the point is that its real, but it doesnt matter. And it KILLS ME! Just not what I wanted to hear. Thrown/compelled into a private relationship that feels confusing and unavoidable at the same time. Youre writing is inspired. Transit Saturn in the Composite 12th House. :In a composite chart: What does it mean when both people have juno in the 12 House? By the way loved your above article and thank you for any info you provide : ) x, Thanks for writing this article. what can we do here? Find a way to bring the god down to the day to day world, so that it, too, is considered sacred. And here is why: my sun, mercury and venus and chiron is in th e 12th natal house. I cannot think, sleep since i met him. His 12th is in Pisces, along with his Sun, Mercury, Venus and Mars. The house is famous for being the house of self-undoing, but it can also be the house where we find our fame and fortune. Well it is a living hell right now! After our individual identity is explored through all the houses, in the 12th and final house, the personality dissolves into something larger. And you may then limit yourself for years, into oblivion. When composite Lilith is placed in the eighth house of the composite chart, this makes the relationship between the two people very intense. This resonates with me. I felt like someone kicked me out of my home. Moon in Aries/7th, Saturn in the 5th/Aquarius. He is a pisces rising with neptune conjunct his midheaven. Look at poor Kurt Cobain, who is the poster boy for this aspect. thanks!! Neptune tries to tell us that we cant own anything permanently, and if we try to possess and not understand the message of universal love (love is its own reward) it will pry our grasping fingers off of whatever we are trying to hold on to. We are fated, but we are meant to part. Hi Dawn. I read your article and its really touching! composite moon and saturn are in fifth house. 13 . Aquarius rising at 29 degrees. He is my best friend but marriage to him has been so disappointing because theres not much difference between now and when I was single. The lesson they teach is that we do not have to possess love in order to experience it. how this would manifest? What would you say about a composite Scorpio Juno in the 12th house, conjunct to the asteroid Valentine and squaring the north and south node? Id appreciate any information. They feel invisible or alone. Its a bit like getting knocked off your feet by a powerful waveyou and your partner are going to have to swim in the tide for a while, and deal with whatever watery beasties swim your way. *Also in synastry- my Vesta conjunct NN in Gemini are the degree right before his Ascendant. Im glad youre enjoying it. Lilith in the 3rd House: Those with Lilith in the 3rd house may have a dark sense of humor, be into alternative or shocking entertainment & literature, while they have the capability of being fantastic liars. With Lilith so deeply involved, this relationship has a direct bearing on your feelings about your sexual power. The Anti-Vertex, on the other hand, is located in the opposite house of the Vertex (the 11 th , 12 th , 1 st , 2 nd , or 3 rd houses), which relate to personal concerns . Any insight you can offer would be greatly appreciated. (Because the moon's orbit is elliptical, it has two center . I like to think of Pluto more in terms of the battle between the ego and the soul. i imagine these aspects can point to a past life where there was dominance in the work field isuees? Its also trine to the moon and sextiling Uranus. yeah, i think we didnt invest much efforts in getting/staying togetherhowever, when I tried to pursue more, I felt as if I was more needy and I cared more about this relationship, as his respose to my efforts was quite blank and gruff. One or two aspects, especially in composite, do not carry the story. We feel that very beautiful in our life! Comfy date, lots of laughter, he contacted me for a second date. Its pretty rare. I am in a very confused place myself right now, wanting to forgive, still loving her, but not understanding her and whether healing her childhood wounds will bring her attraction back, or if its got something more to do with me and something I need to let go of. do you have any clue of what this means or should i just ignore it? The midpoint composite points out the places where the planets in the two charts manifest. Gilly. Thanks for the kind and helpful words, Dawn. This is the empty space, the place where we are not like others, the place where the pieces dont fit. The lower expression has to be elevated, and the higher expression needs to be realized.